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Old 04-12-2009, 09:25 PM   #1
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Default VR needed for 18-55mm? or no?

Unfortunately, I was an idiot. I didn't properly close the bag when I put my camera and lens away, my GF went into the closet, and it dropped, breaking the lens.

So I need to replace my 18-55mm non-VR lens that came with the Kit.

Nikon the Non-VR that I had, and a VR that costs about $80 more.

I know for 55-200, I want to get the VR lens.

But for the 18-55, is VR really necessary? Is it a better lens than the Non-VR version?

Is it worth the price difference?
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Old 04-12-2009, 09:50 PM   #2
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For just 80 bucks diff id get the VR. thats me though. IF money is an issue, then go with what you can afford.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/18-55mm-vr.htm
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:10 AM   #3
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If you can get it, why not? I have VR on my 16-85 and I have used it to get shots! If you are going to get the 18-55, you might as well get it with the extra tool to help you get that shot. That lens probably cleans up nicely at f8 like a lot of lenses (even those fast 3rd party lenses work way better stopped down) and that means you might need that extra little assist sometimes.
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Old 04-13-2009, 12:57 PM   #4
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tiny103, thanks for the link!! That was a very good read.

Now a days, I mostly leave my D40 in the Auto mode, so per that artical says VR wont be much of a help.

I'd like to get back into taking pictures more. Back when I was a kid, I had my EM which I mostly ran in Apperature Priority. When I switched to my N2020 in highschool, I did more at fully manual. I miss doing that. I took some nice shots back then. I did change the focus prism from standard so I could also manual focus easier.

I'm going to go hit the local stores.. If I can get the 18-55 VR locally, I think I'm going to get that one. That way, if I do get back into photography more, the VR will be there.

Until I get something, I'm using my old AF Nikkor 50mm f1.8 from my N2020, and just manually focusing it.

Its a shame I can't use the other lenses from my EM that I also used on my N2020 with my D40
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:11 PM   #5
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They do make lens mount adapters. You may end up looking at it being manual focus only but that can still be fun.
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Old 04-13-2009, 02:20 PM   #6
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yeah, d40 is really for people who have a passing interest and probably will never go beyond point and shooting with it.

Anyone with previous photography experience should honestly start at the D80/D90 since most of the manual setting manipulations are available. Not to mention the D40 really isnt built for that stuff - i fiddeled with my friend's and its a frustrating camera for me since i have to go throught he menu half the time to find where to change settings.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:26 PM   #7
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I've decided to go all VR unless there's a good reason for me not to.

I'm also about to trade in my 60mm f/2.8D on the AF-S version because of the VR on the newer version. I know the older lens is technically superior (slightly, anyway), but the inclusion of VR on the newer model is a selling point for me, since I like to take hand-held shots - even macro shots.

So yeah, at least for me VR is a must. But I have shaky hands, mostly due to my coffee drinking habits.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:02 PM   #8
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I've decided to go all VR unless there's a good reason for me not to.

I'm also about to trade in my 60mm f/2.8D on the AF-S version because of the VR on the newer version. I know the older lens is technically superior (slightly, anyway), but the inclusion of VR on the newer model is a selling point for me, since I like to take hand-held shots - even macro shots.

So yeah, at least for me VR is a must. But I have shaky hands, mostly due to my coffee drinking habits.
Laugh, 2.8 isnt wide enough that you can set it to fast enough shutter speed to compenstate for the coffee related hand shaking?

the VR version is still 2.8?
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:26 PM   #9
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Laugh, 2.8 isnt wide enough that you can set it to fast enough shutter speed to compenstate for the coffee related hand shaking?

the VR version is still 2.8?
Yes, but I'm hoping the VR will compensate for enough movement to allow hand-held macro shots. I have tried and tried with the non-VR version of this lens, and I'm still not happy with the results.

Otherwise it's a great lens!
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Old 04-15-2009, 07:52 AM   #10
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I also find that 2.8 lenses don't get me enough speed to work with. The VR is definitely better for me. Then you also have to consider that I don't always want to work with that small of a range of DOF a lot of the time. I actually rarely find 2.8 to have enough DOF. I usually find myself working in the 5.6 to 11 range. Might as well have VR in that case.
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Old 04-15-2009, 03:54 PM   #11
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HA! So it's NOT just me!
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Old 04-15-2009, 08:33 PM   #12
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I also find that 2.8 lenses don't get me enough speed to work with. The VR is definitely better for me. Then you also have to consider that I don't always want to work with that small of a range of DOF a lot of the time. I actually rarely find 2.8 to have enough DOF. I usually find myself working in the 5.6 to 11 range. Might as well have VR in that case.
With me I'm somewhat opposite. I'd prefer a wider aperture over VR (or IS, in my case). This is a big generality though. I've had times were I had to have the best shutter speed I could. More often than not really. A dance recital, indoor pics of animals or kids (well, outdoor too I guess but that's usually during mid day it seems), flowers that are moving with the breeze, etc.

Don't get me wrong though- I can really dig on the value of it and plan on getting some IS lenses eventually. But for me wider primes are coming first.
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:27 PM   #13
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Well, I sprung for the VR on the 18-55mm... So now I can take pix again.

I got it at Ritz, regular price but its ok. No sales taxes here in Delaware, so not much difference than if I got it mail order and paid shipping.

Takes nice pictures, just as expected.

I did get lucky while at my brother's house a few weekends ago. The Ritz down there was one of the stores being closed, and I picked up the 55-200mm (non-VR) for 1/2 price. I figured for the price, if I got it and found I wanted VR, I should be able to sell it for at least what I paid and can then move up to the VR version.
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:39 PM   #14
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200mm's isn't as demanding of VR as even longer focal lengths can be IMO. Even then it seems like a big part of it to can be the size of the lenses (like a 300mm f/2.8).

But congrats on both purchases
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:04 PM   #15
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I think the problem is all about the money... lol but if you want VR is better... keep shooting
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